"The word PARKOUR is phorbiden" says belle

[xeno]

people it looks like david belle has become big headed, and we can no longer say the word parkour if we are not with david belles team.

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[fogs]

MASSIVE OVER REACTION!!!

THE WORD PARKOUR IS NOT FORBIDDEN

I'de like to see an accurate english translation before taking this as complete truth.

It's about time somthing was done to clean up the mess around the term 'Le Parkour' 90% of the time i hear it, it is used out of context.
I dont blame Mr Belle for trying to do somthing about it.
If (?) Mr belle is the creator of the form, and the term, Le Parkour, then he has a legal right (if he can proove it) to legitimize it's use and have some control over the use of the word.
Too many people mis-represent Le Parkour they jump around do some kicks & flips and call it parkour wich it blatantly isnt. Too many individuals and groups hijack the term, Le Parkour, either for profit or self promotion. this is all riding on the back of 15 years of hard work and Mr Belle's creative ability.
Peoples perceptions in relation to what Le parkour actually represents has been drawn away and disrorted from what Le Parkour actually is. Many individuals/groups practice a form that isnt Le Parkour and then go ahead and call what they practice Parkour they are blatantly mis-representing Mr Belle and his legacy.
It is asif Parkour is a magic word with special powers and greedy people are trying to claim it for themselves rather than leaving it to be what it actually is. I really dont understand why the individuals/groups are trying to steal the word Le Parkour from its true and rightful meaning and owner.
Is it okay to steal from another individuals creation and bastardize it simply because you have been mis-informed somewhere along the line?..... No it isnt.
Good luck to Mr Belle, i hope more people who use the term Le Parkour begin to use it in its correct context, with referance to its origins and heritage and stop thinking it is okay to do as they please with another persons creative endeavours.
If this was a subject that was personal to us we would feel very strongly that it wasnt mis-represented and bastardised by people around the World simply because of selfishness & ignorance.

Mr Belle is an amazing man who has given birth to somthing wonderful, please, if you have respect for what you practice you must have the decency to respect Mr Belle for his starring role in its conception.

[dotajames]

Here is a funny video relating to this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRucoPPtnek

[fogs]

ck said:

"I'de like to see an accurate english translation before taking this as complete truth"

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this is the stupedist thing ive herd, parkour is growing, changing some people see that is a bad thing y? im sure the first person who made up football dident say u have to be in my team to play football or ur jst kicking a ball! and im sure football has change over the years jst like parkour. and so what if people use the wrong word for what they do what differnce does it make to anyone!

Well obviously it means nothing to you because you have made a personel attachment to the term Parkour.... that's fine... but is it correct?..... NO.
Why dont people who choose to call what they do Parkour, but actually arnt doing Parkour just call it somthing else what are they so frightened of?

You try changing the name of soccer into football, Nah mate it aint gonna work!

These are different times from when football started your talking about hundreds of years ago if you wanted to tell someone somthing you had to borrow your neighbours horse and ride for two hours.

Absolutely agree with the comment about changing all the time, that is definite lt happening everyday and what freerunning is today isnt what it will be next year it is developing and diversifying all the time.
BUT, This is the point, Parkour isnt changing it cannot change because it is a discipline an artform that has been defined IT CANNOT CHANGE. Parkour is fixed it has been defined by the person who created. If you are doing flips and kicks (you might not like it) but it isnt Parkour.
What gets me is why some people because they saw it on TV think they have to call any jumping Parkour??? isnt that a bit ignorant
If you aint practicing Parkour why would you want to call it Parkour??? You can call it somthing else or are you just too caught up on the latest BUZZ word.

For me it is Jumping thats all, dont give a monkies what any other person wants to call it, But, if it already has a name, give it the respect it deserves and call it by it's correct name. If you are doing somthing that isnt Parkour dont be afraid to call it somthing different. Use your imagination.
Why would anyone want to call somthing that isnt Parkour 'Parkour'

[Rabbit]

parkour parkour parkour

[Maverick]

As with many topics, I find myself agreeing, for the most part, with fogs on this. Although some of you don't agree, you might someday understand the politics of legitimacy.

This is what we have to remember:

• Parkour is a philosophy and needs to be treated like it. That means adopting the spiritual and mental aspects of parkour and not just memorizing and drilling physical techniques.
  
• Getting offended that Belle is taking this stand is NOT neccessary. If you go to youtube.com and search for "parkour" you get a lot of rubbish. I'm sure any of you will agree with me. This is why he does it.
  
• Teaching the true art of parkour is important, so newbies will learn the right things. Knowledge is contagious. But to teach it, you have to understand it.
  

You don't have to stop doing what you do, but if you want to call it parkour you better make sure it really IS parkour!

EDIT: As a side-note, I've been studying the discussion on UF forums. I'm sure some of you look to UF for inspiration, help, whatever. Fine, they do have lots of experience. But they are more interested in commercialism than with philosophy and that is why they have the best-known name in the community: they sell it (in clothing, in video games, in performances). That's why they associate with Seb more than with Belle. That's why Seb is better known in the USA than Belle: did anyone else notice he repeated all of Belle's most famous and dangerous moves in that 007 chase scene? Parkour is not about flaunting your abilities.

I know this will create some confusion, so let me clear it up. Belle has been in commercials and has undoubtedly been paid for them. He was also in a movie. However, he did not use the word parkour to describe his abilities in those scenes. We imply that what he did was parkour because he moved swiftly. Here's the breakdown we should all keep in mind:

Parkour = philosophy, art, willpower, progression, confidence, modesty, personal goals, spiritual/mental/physical alignment, the ability to overcome, a way of life.

Public appearances = financial income, business, commercialism, advertisement, showing-off, the desire to impress others, a desire for attention, and sometimes competition.

One is David Belle and his closest followers. The other is Seb and UF. The rest of us fall somewhere in the middle because we have neither perfectly follow the philosophy/art (Belle) nor do it for the profit (Seb). But most of us want to be recognized, we would like to make money for doing this stuff, which puts us more in line with Seb/UF.

Ask yourself:
What kind of practitioner are YOU?

[fogs]

rabbit said:

parkour parkour parkour

LOL

I dont practice Parkour and have never claimed to practice Parkour.

What i practice i like to call Jumpimg because 'I' like it.
When i meet up with other people to Jump I call it A Jump "fancy meeting for a jump". You will never hear me calling what i practice Parkour and you will never hear me using the word 'Jam' Jam is somthing you put on bread

People are easily manipulated with the latest BUZZ words because they think it makes them cool or bedause they saw t on a TV program or in a magazine.

Parkour has a definition it is a discipline. Not some loosely associative word that represents any variation of physical movement.
Im afraid the word Parkour already means somthing.

Oh yeah and just to put the record straight before you all get your knickers in a twist.
THE WORD PARKOUR ISNT FORBIDDEN
That is an enormous untruth, This is the rgetoric you can expect from those who feel they are loosing out so in desperation they attempting to smear David Belle's reputation. Where do you think these lies and rumours are coming from???
Use your intellegence dont take soundbites as truth before you make an oppinion on hearsay and gossip you should find the truth or you will come across as niave and easily influenced dy pointless idle chatter.

What Mr belle is doing is possibly the most important action that thas been taken in the short history of the discipline he created.
Mr Belle now has a high profile along with that goes an obligation to protect his legacy.

[Rabbit]

so if were not aloud to say it what are we goin to say

[fogs]

If you practice Parkour you should call it Parkour.
But find out what Parkour is first.
Otherwise you can call it whatever you want, but please dont call it football, tennis or snooker because that wouldnt be right.

[ef1]

love you fogs and squrl you really get my brain juices flowing, i started out copying what i saw jackie chan doing running about being chased while fighting, he does tacs vaults underbars flips,uses all and any architecture and he can fight.
david belle created and named 'parkour' round the same time the yamakase were doing what we call freerunning, trickers stand around in a circle throwing martial art spin kicks and advanced acrobatics, chase armitage created the words street stunts to describe similar acrobatics being performed in a street scenario/ 360 wall flips is agood example as is doing a backflip of a phone box.

[Maverick]

What fogs said after my post is exactly the next point I wanted to make.

In the motherland (England ;D ) you have this funny little sport called Football, yeah? In the United States we also have something called Football. Now, if someone writes a column about Football and we are both in that column, which one of us actually plays Football? Are you right, or am I right?

It's the same word used in 2 very different ways. What I'm saying is, just because you call it "Parkour" and you think it looks similar to David Belle's Parkour, does that mean you're right and you do Parkour, or do you just think you are and you attach the name for simplicity?

You don't have to stop Jumping like fogs calls it, but be careful that your Parkour isn't actually Jumping.