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Post by ef1 on May 3, 2007 10:32:39 GMT
this has been written by tk17 and herbetiste from 3run.co.uk and parkour.net
This community supports PARKOUR, not COMPETITION - Run Without Rivals
The members of this community stand firmly against the idea of organized parkour competition. Our reasons:
1. We don't believe in elites. We don't believe in any form of selection among practitioners. We don't believe in the necessity of any form of hierarchy of performance among practitioners. We believe to be "the best" doesn't mean anything in parkour, because winning or losing don't mean anything in parkour philosophy. We do not accept such a drive as part of the parkour philosophy.
Instead, we believe the drive to train should always and only come from within. We strive to be stronger for ourselves and others, not against people, but with and for others. Therefore, we reject and disregard any form of rivalry between practitioners. Instead, we value mutual respect and solidarity in making progress as individuals and as a community.
2. We believe it stands against the philosophy of parkour to compete to win or earn anything that is not part of parkour values, such as medals, prizes, trophies, money, fame, recognition, or glory. Same goes about showing off for a crowd.
Instead, we look for priceless and beneficial outcomes to our actions. We also look for benefits we all can share. We are givers, not takers.
3. Competition encourages the unready to sacrifice their health for early victories, or to reach a ranking that has no true meaning. It forces elite competitors to constantly and repeatedly endanger their most precious good, health, because of obsession and obligation of victory, and whatever is at stake as a direct consequence of it, including money, rank or status, pride, and also professional or sponsoring contracts and profitable commercial deals. It leads competitive practitioners to unbalance their training and focus only on the specific skills needed to win, leading to chronic injuries. Despite official denials, doping is most of the time involved in every level of competition, that money is involved or not. We believe the physical consequences of competing at high level goes against the philosophy of parkour which emphasizes on moderation and the necessity of enduring.
Instead, parkour is a humble, patient and lifelong discipline, and the human body requires incremental conditioning to ensure its resistance and longevity. Moderation is a truly important value of parkour and an indispensable quality in order to preserve oneself and for the body to endure. Therefore, we reject whatever goes against moderation and that impairs the body.
4. Parkour doesn't belong to corporations, sponsors, medias, and people sitting at home to watch. We believe we must not accept activities and plans that are abusively called parkour, that misuse its name and hijack its image to draw public and medias attention to something that is NOT parkour, despite the resistance of the majority of the community against such intentions.
Instead, we affirm parkour is a non-competitive discipline that belong to all practitioners, to the local communities, to the teams and friends, and to the human race as a whole. We believe we must stand together against ambitions that do not reflect the original philosophy of parkour and that are disrespectful to the parkour philosophy and the parkour community.
Competition is not inevitable - it is just another obstacle! Support original parkour, keep our discipline free!
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Post by fogs on May 3, 2007 11:47:27 GMT
I dont practice parkour, So i dont care what the capitalists decide to do with it. If they see the opportunity to earn money... they will. There are very few who will turn down the opportunity to earn a living from parkour, no matter what they might say. Once the folding is holding in their pockets integrity is forgotten. Competition is inevitable, there are too many people that want it. What are those who want to stop competition in parkour going to do? They cannot criminalise competitive parkour!
Hyperbole abounds around the issue, the more i see and hear the more i realise what i load of nonsense it all is.
Practice as you please, you'll start having problems when you think you can tell others that they can or cant do somthing that they really want to do.
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Post by ef1 on May 3, 2007 13:26:35 GMT
. What are those who want to stop competition in parkour going to do? They cannot criminalise competitive parkour! the idea is to keep reiterating the fact that competition has no place in parkour or its philosaphys, david belle himself has said that the only competition in parkour is to see how many people you can help. of course there are people who want competition, it is the same as people who want flips to be parkour, all we can do is keep telling them in plain english that parkour as stated by david belle is flip free and competition free.
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Post by fogs on May 3, 2007 14:00:16 GMT
. What are those who want to stop competition in parkour going to do? They cannot criminalise competitive parkour! the idea is to keep reiterating the fact that competition has no place in parkour or its philosaphys, david belle himself has said that the only competition in parkour is to see how many people you can help. of course there are people who want competition, it is the same as people who want flips to be parkour, all we can do is keep telling them in plain english that parkour as stated by david belle is flip free and competition free. No! All you can do is keep re-iterating. It is enough for me to know what i am doing without the burden of worrying about what others choose to call whatever they are practising. I've had enough of it. It isnt worth the effort and to be quite frank parkour isnt important enough to me to continue with it. I have never been interested in practising actual disciplined parkour, it is way too restrictive for my liking. I remember years ago when i was a lone voice on this matter, I think i have done enough to make my point. Enough people now understand the point i have been making, i have decided to say enough is enough and leave it at that. I couldnt care if they want to compete, do flips or whatever. I will satisfy myself by following my own needs to exercise incorporating whatever i like to do, which changes all the time. I couldnt care if others choose that bouncing on their heads is parkour.
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Post by ef1 on May 3, 2007 14:21:25 GMT
fair enough, but you cant deny that you have been influenced by videos of people who do 'parkour' or 'freerunning' if you had never seen these vids , where would you be now? also if you dont do parkour what is your actual point that you are trying to make? are you being argumentative just for the sake of it or do you have some point that you belive in? fogs said'I remember years ago when i was a lone voice on this matter, I think i have done enough to make my point. Enough people now understand the point i have been making,' what point and who are these people you are talking about? pls dont get annoyed with me just imagine i am a child and need things to be explained to me because i dont really understand what your point is and why you are posting in this thread. thanks
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Post by fogs on May 3, 2007 14:44:53 GMT
fair enough, but you cant deny that you have been influenced by videos of people who do 'parkour' or 'freerunning' if you had never seen these vids , where would you be now? Of course i have been influenced by vids, however that has nothing to do with the OP also if you dont do parkour what is your actual point that you are trying to make? Dont be SOOO defensive, it isnt a competition. are you being argumentative just for the sake of it or do you have some point that you belive in? Silly question, i'll leave that one with you. fogs said'I remember years ago when i was a lone voice on this matter, I think i have done enough to make my point. Enough people now understand the point i have been making, No-one expected the Spanish inquisition. what point and who are these people you are talking about? Leave it out Ef's me thinks you iz gettin a lil precious now. Do you really expect me to bring out the scroll of shame? pls dont get annoyed with me just imagine i am a child and need things to be explained to me because i dont really understand what your point is and why you are posting in this thread. thanks it is my oppinion on the OP. you should have locked the thread if you didnt want others views.
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Post by ef1 on May 4, 2007 9:40:12 GMT
:)fogs you are such a wind up , of course you do parkour, you are a traceur, a traceur is someone who is usefull to society, someone who helps others and does not show off, as long as i have known you you have allways helped other people to progress, you have turned up at southbank numerous times with injuries that stop you doing anything just with the intention to help others, you never play up to the camera and i have lost count of the amount of people you have helped, not just flying squad members but anyone who shows an interest, you have helped people not just with the physical side;techniques and conditioning but also with the mental side ; conquering fear , being nonegotistical and having respect for others, as long as i have known you you have never shown a competative edge(even with b boying where 'battles' are the norm) but you are allways willing to make a stand for what you belive in. if anyone was to ask me what is a traceur i will allways use your behaviour as an example.
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Post by fogs on May 4, 2007 10:33:30 GMT
If by behaving that way qualifies me as a traceur then that is fine {if the shoe fits wear it), as it is my character and the way that i like to approach everything i do. As it says in my sig' "be the change you want to see". In other words, if you expect your reality to be a certain way, you have to behave in that fashion to bring it into your reality.. contrary to that if you want to treat people badly you can expect others to treat you badly in return.
I still dont care, if people want to do the 'Pogo' and call it parkour it's fine with me.
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Post by jungle on May 4, 2007 11:00:08 GMT
im agree with elf here, u have always helped people down southbank and spent untild days helping them with future moves while not so much concentratig on your own progression. its because of people like u and elf that so many are able to do flips and wall flips and anything that they may have needed a spotter for. people owe u 2 more then u think. and at the very least good conversation skills, expecially oin this forum, ur words will ring true to those who choose not to listin at the moment, but as time goes on, they will realise what was said make sence.
i dont like the idea of competition, because finally we can train without being classed as good or bad, or worthy of whatever may come, but shud it reach that level, and ihave a chance to make some money out of it, then im afraid i will be taking my chance, for as they say "you only live once!"
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Post by fogs on May 4, 2007 11:23:21 GMT
It's easy to say 'I wouldnt take money from parkour', as the majority of us will never have the opportunity. Although some of us will, and when you are in a position that Jungle is in you would be daft not to take the opportunity to earn a livivng from doing what you love. If i had the chance i would grab it with both hands.
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Post by davetolomy on May 16, 2007 8:50:40 GMT
I don't agree with major competitions and one of the reasons parkour was appealing to me is because it was a non-competitive sport. There was no pressure to beat others and I could learn at my own pace.
However, on a training level, don't you think it can be helpful to set little races? If I'm racing someone across Imax it's not so I can be the best but It will motivate me to go faster and find more efficent routes.
I agree with the statement as a whole, and it raises some very valid points, but competitions amongst friends can help you improve.
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Post by Rabbit on May 16, 2007 19:37:51 GMT
i train parkour and i dont like the idea of compertion
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Post by cord on May 23, 2007 3:44:46 GMT
im on the fence. I prefer to stay neutral and just go with the flow and see what happens.
I think it would be a bad thing for parkour though to have proper competitions. I think it would bring a lot of hate, like there is in other sports. One of the reasons i found parkour so appealing is because there was none of this. It was solely training for fun and progression, not to be number one and get sponsored or whatever.
as for making money through parkour/ freerun i cant complain. I have already made a nice amount and i cant deny that it really is an amazing lifestyle.
Just do what you want to do and have fun in life.
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Post by drproctor on May 23, 2007 14:20:33 GMT
It's a pretty interesting debate and i have mixed feeling about it. The idea of organised competition where prizes are available is ridicules and shouldn't even come up but i don't think that competition should be totally fround apon, i mean competition with friends is fine by me, it's just fun and light hearted. Parkour is a non profit sport but like Fogs said, it is easy to say that given the opportunity I wouldn't take it but for so many people that is not the case. Personally I don't know what I'd do but that's hardly an issue that I have to deal with. Freerunning shouldn't have all these moral restrictions, you put a foot out of line and you are judged as a sellout or what ever. It defeats the point of FREE running
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Post by fogs on May 23, 2007 15:18:48 GMT
Freerunning shouldn't have all these moral restrictions, you put a foot out of line and you are judged as a sellout or what ever. It defeats the point of FREE running Well said Dr.
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