is it art?can you tell the difference?

[ef1]

some of these are turner prize winners, some are children,some are famous artists and some are rubbish.
what do you all think of these?










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[Rui]

Personally i think at least something in life is art to some people, it depends on how people see the object as. Some say parkour is art, some say it aint for example.

[ef1]

yeah but can you tell the difference in the above pictures, which ones do you think are prize winners?

[Rui]

Oh right, i would pick the pipe one, the one below the 2 lovely ladies and the one below that as prize winners.

[zetan]

I only recognise the Pollock and Emin stuff... I don't know who the others are...

[ef1]

i will tell u the answers later, but c'mon which ones are done by children, which ones are prize winners and which ones are just rubbish which i have put there to try and confuse you?

[fogs]

I've been through the fine art institution so have an idea of what fine art representation can mean.
The above work could all be prize winners it very much depends on the concept behind the art.
From experiance i know a piece of art that looks rubbish, can, once the concept has been explained, become very impressive. It is often as much about the thought process as the presentation in contemporary art.
Much modern art is sudo-intellectualized naval gazing, where if you are not learned in art history you will never see the relevance of particular symbology.

My experiances have taught me to have little or no concern for controlled institutionalized art and to enjoy what you enjoy looking at or thinking about.
Create art that represents your being in reflection of the experiances that make you who you are without concern for what is held up by the art institution as good, bad or horrid.
Everybodies self representation is as valid as anyone elses it's when things become overly critical that some artists are put on pedastals.

I really dont know, i'de say any of them could be prize winners.

[Rui]

Exactly John lol much detail then my analysis.

[fogs]

I'll have a guess that the 3rd one is the dud.
the 1st is a very good drawing
I recognise most of the others
the small ones i cant see too well.

[kingo]

I knew I should of gone to the tate britain for the turner prize mind you it's still on.

Ok looking at them I say the 2nd image is very powerful the woman even though it's small it looks like she's naked with messy near her "womanhood" this may represent that she might have a STD or her lifestyle is an mess. This may be a turner prize

I know the pollock, I don't get the pipes. the 3rd from the bottom may be a turner prize, I remind seeing a picture at the freeze art fair like that. But I can't wait what the answer is EF1.

[ef1]

1; childs drawing. one of my faves, a good sense of proportion and space.
2; tracey emin i thought it was porn and i got a warning of photobucket for hosting this so called art
3;photo of rubbish
4;emin
5;prize winner.. i like the angles on this
6;prize winner.. w.t.f.
7; pollack
8;prize winner. this reminds me of graff letters a big N
9;childs drawing in war torn chechnya. one of my faves , simple yet hard hitting.
10;emin
11;photo of rubbish

[fogs]

no1, that child has some good drawing ability. It's like a deliberately distorted drawing.
no11, i thought that i recognised this as work from an astablished artist.

no9, caught me out aswell.

What do i know!?

Tyrner prize isnt for the ordinary person it is the art institution mutually masterbating itself. becuase they are SOOO important. Give me street art anyday.

[kingo]

fogs said:

Give me street art anyday.

Well said Fogs.

All artists are prepared to suffer for their work so why a few willing to learn how to draw? That is the sub-question, I nicked this from a art book.

My answer: look at the child pictures I hate to say it I think they can draw better, but it's all about ideas now. Where would we be without ideas? there would be no planes, cars, no art genres. Maybe artists don't learn how to draw because the drawing genre has gone and finsihed and it's about now it's all about ideas and being new and fresh that picture 6, showing a way of life, it's new and fresh ( my view abit boring but got sold for thousands). Another expamle is the slides at the tate morden the artist wanted to show us his/ her idea of using slides as transport(I wouldn't be able to use that transport in my state LOL).

My view it would be nice to hear others

[fogs]

If you can find true self expression, that isnt marked or catagorized for anyone elses benifit, which allows you a connection to individual creative expression, then, you are creating art. Although fundamentally subjective in essence, it is, art that is as personal and individual as your fingerprint or DNA and should only be critiqued on what the art doea for the creator emotionally above all else.
Individual expression is the Holy Grail of creativity if you can tap into it, you will, via your individual expression make magic. Access to personal creative expression is a form of alchemy. The priority of an individuals artistic expression should be personal pleasure, however, it is in the discovery of this illusive personal expression that the individual must consider realisations of what 'art' really is.

this isnt isolated to figurative art, it is equally relevant with any form of personal expression. it is the connection to individual expression in whatever form it may be that allows access to alchemical magic.