Chicken or egg?

[Sam]

forbzie said:

OMG wt a stupid redneck

well you no forbes his a bit harry and billy

[fogs]

gimpmasterpanda said:

the egg is a genetic hybrid of another type of bird very similar to teh chicken, teh genes from the previous bird would have mutated and manipulated themselves into a more advanced form of the previous, continuing the chain of evolution, and therefore creating a chicken!!! there answered,

That's all well & good but it still doesnt answer the question.as the original bird would still have to have come from an egg, but, how did the egg get there?

No insulting anyone, if you want to insult eachother do it face to face NOT here. It will not improve the forum or Flying Squad.

[ef1]

theo said some americans shot and killed a bear. forbes replied stupid rednecks
squrl got the wrong end of the stick so did everyone else.

[gimpmasterpanda]

That's all well & good but it still doesnt answer the question.as the original bird would still have to have come from an egg, but, how did the egg get there?

HMM TRUE TRUE well then i am stumped i guess god made it like he made man!!!!

[drproctor]

This is such a stupid question but reli it comes down to what u belive, if u belive that God made the world and all the animals (i.e creationism, adam and eve being real and the garden of eden etc) the its the chicken. if u belive in Evolution then its the egg as an animal cannot evolve during its life time, evolution takes place in conception so the animal would slowly over thousands of years change so the baby would be slightly diffrent, until eventualy u have a chicken

[fogs]

Dr, the point is to think outside the box. Not simply to say i've been conditioned to think this or this so the answer must be this or this.
The question isnt about right or wrong it is about the discussion, and hopefully to encourag original concepts to form with the individual. that are not bound to the rediculous theories of Creationists or Evolutionists.

Thanks for joining the debate Im sure you have alot more to say on the matter.

[drproctor]

what do u mean ridiculas theories? u say think outside the box but just because those theories r old doesnt mean they arnt outside the box, A God invented everythng, and we all came from monkeys.

But if u want outside the box then thats what i'll do... What came first the chicken or the egg?; neither the world is an illusion, it only exists if there is a consious train of thought to acknowledge its exsistance, as you, the reader are acknowledging the world then it is ur choice, if the world is in ur mind then ur mind can change the world.

how about that?

[fogs]

That's more like it Dr, well done. Now try to elaberate.

[drproctor]

ok... if one considers the possibility that the world is an illusion, projected into our minds; then one must also accept the possibility that the world inside our minds is more real than the persieved world outside and around us. now consider that if the world inside our minds is more real than what we have have been taught is the world, then surly it is possible to minipulate the world around us, as it is only an illusion created by our minds surly our minds have the potentiol to change what we see. the problem lies in that people belive that the world we see is real they cannot possibly belive that they can change it, because they do not Know they can alter the world they cannot acheive it.

Did you know that when christopher columbus's ships were aprouching America the native indians could not see the ships on the horizen simply because they knew nothing like that could ever exist, only when the wise medicin man pointed it out could they see the ships; this is because the medicin man was so trusted that the indians knew that what ever he said was true, so they looked again and saw the ships.

The story of the indians can still be applied to life today only in reversse. If we Know something, not think it, not belive it but Know it then could it be possible to project our knowledge onto the "outside" world, effectivly changing what we see.

nothing to do with Chickens or eggs really just letting off a little philosophical steam

[fogs]

There is no outside world only outside data which is configured into the worldview in the mind, via the sensual network and nervous system.
The stuff about columbus, phwar!
Ships have been traveling to that part of the world long before Columbus.

With understanding we can do anything.

[drproctor]

fogs said:

There is no outside world only outside data which is configured into the worldview in the mind, via the sensual network and nervous system.
The stuff about columbus, phwar!
Ships have been traveling to that part of the world long before Columbus.

With understanding we can do anything.

no they had'nt to america maybe but thats a pretty big place and the entire easten coastline had not be visited.

anyway my point it that what if the world wasnt just data interpreted by our minds, the world was an illusion shared by all, it only exists because we think it does we see it and assume what we are seeing is real. if the world was all in our heads then our minds could change it, i could grow to 20 feet tall but i have been taught since birth by my senses and the people around me that it is not possible to do this, my mind is conditioned. i know it is not possible to do this, and i cannot reverse this conditioning. i cannot possibly belive i could grow to 20 feet thus i cannot possibly acheive it.


... if u see what i mean

[fogs]

I think you are onto somthing Dr. i agree with you wholeheartedly.
As i understand it; all matter at it's lowest element consists solely of vibrating light.
We are all conditioned from our birth to believe life is a certain way.
And yes there is so much more that we are capable of.
The first step has to be the realisation that we can change, then comes the deprogramming of imbedded belief systems that are passed on down through generations which tell us that things are a certain way simply because that is the way they are. When in fact the individual can choose for themselves what they want, and even, what they want to believe.
unless we are encouraged to think freely whatever we are encouraged to believe is a form of mind control/conditioning whether it be self imposed or culturally imposed.

Wow Dr, that is a difficult concept to grapple with, however, i believe, if these concepts are taken on as a principal reality becomes a far more interesting environment to exist within. With a belief that all things are possible, in change & flux, you are telling your subconscious to indentify with matter and reality as something you can play with. And as life is simply a game (not this negative spiral of death, fear, control that westernism is promoting) life becomes a journey on which you can if you choose follow your dreams & fillfil your true potential.

This is the purpose of a life.

As always DEPROGRAMMING IS ESSENTIAL.

[ef1]

drproctor said:

Did you know that when christopher columbus's ships were aprouching America the native indians could not see the ships on the horizen simply because they knew nothing like that could ever exist, only when the wise medicin man pointed it out could they see the ships; this is because the medicin man was so trusted that the indians knew that what ever he said was true, so they looked again and saw the ships.

i have heard this story too but how would we of found out?
columbus was the first western man to land there, they didnt speak the same language. so it would of been years later when any real sharing of information could of been done.
have you heard this one
'during the napoleanic confrontations according to popular legend, a monkey dressed in a French uniform was washed ashore at Hartlepool and tried by local magistrates on suspicion of being a French spy. Because it did not answer questions they presumed the animal was guilty, and it was hanged from a lamppost.'

[drproctor]

lol that reminds me, in massatuses it used to be common practice to have animals in court, there grunts and barks were inerpreted, sometimes as confessions, this was going on as late as the 1940's

[ef1]

drproctor said:

lol that reminds me, in massatuses it used to be common practice to have animals in court, there grunts and barks were inerpreted, sometimes as confessions, this was going on as late as the 1940's

youve got to be kidding?right,what were they on trial for?
did they use animals as witnesses? it gives a whole new meaning to the phrase kangaroo court.